Dumbledore has access to a wide variety of magic. Don't forget, Gandalf did shatter Saruman's staff and most of his power. Aguamenti - Produces a jet of water from the caster's wand. I am not shocked he was nearly taken down so easily. The bow and arrow fell from Legolas' hands, and his arms hung loose at his sides. In the end, no matter how you dice it, Gandalf will curb-stomp Dumbledore like he's an old rag; or a broken toy. They then fought from the very bottom of Khazad-Dum, through tunnels lost to legend, and to the top of a mountain before Gandalf managed to beat it. Both of universes are very different, magic is very different. You should become a comedian, man. In his full form, he is god-like. Wow. @chibi_cute: Technically that battle was a draw. So in unrestricted form they can win, otherwise Gandalf gets stomped. And Dumbledore could have used the freezing charm on the entire Balrog as a whole. Now, I can't remember exactly what Tolkien book I read it in, but somewhere it was stated, that had Gandalf fallen to the temptation of the One Ring; he would have easily dominated middle-earth; and even the Valar (proverbial demigods/gods of Tolken-Verse). So basically, Dumbledore and Voldemort stomp him. Besides, Maiar magic is far older and more powerful than anything that can be taught in an english boarding school. "But I must have something to work on. He wants to make his victims suffer, and that's why he consistently loses. And to the cutting down Dumbledore, wouldn't that be made a whole lot harder on Gandalf considering the fact that Dumbledore can teleport and also fly which is something that Gandalf hasn't done or been shown capable of doing. Third, Dumbledore randomly drew up a hydrokenetic spell when he incased Voldemort in water. Edited: Dumbledore doesn't have has the elder wand. Though I suppose there isn't any confirmation that the Witch King was there with the Nazgul even if he was there later when Frodo and Aragorn were. he cried, and his voice grew in power and authority. You need to see things from both sides. Balrogs have been killed by simple rivers. He hasn't, so we can safely assume he won't do it and Dumbledore will win. That's a fact. 'I have not finished. Comic Vine. Crucio (Cruciatus Curse) - Causes the victim unbearable pain and torture. And here he is...the boy you all believed had been my downfall...." Voldemort moved slowly forward and turned to face Harry. @spawngengiskhan: Do you agree, that in his full form Gandalf would win, but in other forms he wouldn't? 'But what would they say in song? We know he achieved these things and that his magic during these rare instances was apparently quite powerful, but we don't know how he employed his magic or what sort of spells he did, so we can't bring them up to prove something in a debate. Dumbledore was able to move fast enough that Harry, a young adult, couldn't keep track of his movements. (That was intended to respond to post #45). Above all, Gandalf is a maiar spirit, Dumbleore is a human.